tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post8659386559664110034..comments2023-12-14T21:13:46.857-06:00Comments on Tom Roeser's Blog: Michael Voris is the Name for Refreshing Authentic Catholic TV Commentaries—No Namby Pamby Stuff Allowed.Jake Parrillohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11195261008177966339noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-56147306421204063052010-10-19T15:52:30.621-05:002010-10-19T15:52:30.621-05:00Michael is spot-on with his comments and deserves ...Michael is spot-on with his comments and deserves our attention, support. Link his videos to all your friends; they are like a tall glass of cool, clear water: refreshing when you drink them and bracing when get them in the face!Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532906102654768874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-46642930882736321472010-10-19T14:01:16.102-05:002010-10-19T14:01:16.102-05:00Just want to make sure Eddie and Lee don't fil...Just want to make sure Eddie and Lee don't fill up all the comments. I myself love watching the Vortex. Love him or hate him Michael Voris makes you think, more than I can say about most dribble found on the internet.John 6:54https://www.blogger.com/profile/13295003916943794140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-51963335564152330162010-10-19T13:28:57.958-05:002010-10-19T13:28:57.958-05:00As an associate of Michael's (we speak regular...As an associate of Michael's (we speak regularly at his studio, and I provide him with shipping materials for the DVD's of his TV program), I have to say that he talks the talk, and walks the walk. And with the new archbishop, he's hoping for more ecclesial support than he had gotten in the past...which was none.<br /><br />Keep him and his team in your prayers, and support him however you are able.Larry Denningerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06015803653090711740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-53400324881090821392010-10-19T11:37:02.400-05:002010-10-19T11:37:02.400-05:00Lee,
Re the "permission to sin"; I was ...Lee,<br /><br />Re the "permission to sin"; I was being facetious. Reading between the lines of both your posts gives me the impression that you are accusing Voris of approving homosexual activity.<br /><br />Exhibiting compassion for those struggling with a homosexual inclination is not the same as approving of the sin. We agree that homosexual activity is mortally sinful, and that the inclination is disordered and unnatural. But I do not believe that precludes compassion for those suffering from it.<br /><br />How do you know whether an individual's temptations are enormous or furious? Or if they hate themselves? Pretty presumptious if you ask me!<br /><br />I consider an inclination to sin a cross. Denying yourself and picking up your cross can have many meanings; to me it includes fighting against an inclination to sin out of love for Jesus- trying to do what He wants, not what we want. It may not be the same cross as others have, but I believe it still qualifies as a cross.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972957342753225546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-78817033002646259112010-10-18T21:49:14.701-05:002010-10-18T21:49:14.701-05:00Eddie,
You write,
“Was Voris giving homosexuals...Eddie,<br /><br />You write, <br /><br />“Was Voris giving homosexuals permission to sin? I must have missed that part!” <br /><br />What are you talking about??!! I defy you to find anything in my post that says or implies any such thing.<br /><br />You also write, <br /><br />“I find it ironic that you want to know 'who sent' Voris at the same time you so self-rightously question the reality of other's temptations!”<br /><br />Again, what in the name of all that is holy are you talking about? I did write, <br /><br />“Having broken with Love and continuing in anger, they come eventually to self-hatred, self-loathing and sexual suicide- or enormous temptations to sexual suicide.”<br /><br />If you look closely, you will find “enormous temptations” at the end of my sentence. Enormous. Temptations.<br /><br />Again, I wrote, <br />“This is not a "cross" of any sort. It is either mortal sin or ongoing furious temptations to mortal sin.” <br /><br />Again, buried deep in this long period are “furious temptations.” Furious. Temptations. <br /><br />Far from questioning the reality of their temptations I emphasized that they are a) enormous; b) furious. <br /><br />What I do question is that they are graces, or crosses of any kind. They are temptations, and if they are going to be surmounted as the mortal danger they are, then they must be seen for what they are and resisted with every imaginable stratagem. Certainly they do not put anyone in the same league with Mother Theresa, John of the Cross, or the Blessed Mother!!! Good grief! They put one in immediate peril of becoming an everlasting horror and a disgrace. <br /><br />It is the very opposite of compassion to let normal men and women who have extraordinary emotional baggage and great homosexual temptations think that they are thereby a special category of human being and *victim souls* to boot. That is called leading someone down the primrose path. <br /><br />Framing their whole situation in terms of “crosses,” “victim souls” and the like leads to the very sort of moral theology that led too many seminaries to become snakepits of homosexual activity, and probably contributed greatly to the scandals that will cast a centuries-long shadow over the Church.<br /><br />“Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality…will inerit the kingdom of God (I Cor 6:9).<br /><br />All these many men and women in the throes of homosexual temptation or sin, and the Church itself for that matter, are far better served by the severe warnings and thundering denunciations of St. Paul than by all of Voris’s blandishments.<br /><br />Who sent him?Lee Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506547355314136320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-3857229972421480262010-10-18T20:02:50.896-05:002010-10-18T20:02:50.896-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lee Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506547355314136320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-86278501081428933382010-10-18T14:34:51.032-05:002010-10-18T14:34:51.032-05:00Lee,
I cannot claim to know how or why homosexual...Lee,<br /><br />I cannot claim to know how or why homosexuals are the way they are, nor do I want to speculate about it here. The fact is they exist.<br /><br />However an individual acquires their inclinations, even if it is entirely their fault- the temptation is real- and a cross. In this discussion I would narrowly define a cross as any inclination to sin.<br /> <br />I may not understand it and it may not be one of my crosses, but I do not doubt that it is a temptation, inclination, or cross for some. That some with this particular cross may not carry it does not negate the fact that it is a cross.<br /><br />Was Voris giving homosexuals permission to sin? I must have missed that part! I find it ironic that you want to know "who sent" Voris at the same time you so self-rightously question the reality of other's temptations! What was that about the beam and the splinter?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972957342753225546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-17742771453125927472010-10-18T12:35:50.007-05:002010-10-18T12:35:50.007-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lee Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506547355314136320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-33258077003264310052010-10-18T12:35:15.354-05:002010-10-18T12:35:15.354-05:00Eddie, Tom- Underlying Voris's miserable piece...Eddie, Tom- Underlying Voris's miserable piece on homosexuals is the notion that there are such things as homosexual persons, a kind of third sex created by God as such. And so in their distress at being "different" they suffer so mightily as "victim souls" that they are worthy of comparison with Mother Teresa, St. John of the Cross and Our Sorrowful Mother!!! Perhaps we should not make Michael Voris a bishop just yet, or imagine that a prophet has arisen in our midst.<br /><br />Another view: Although the undeniable evidence for their own maleness or femaleness is so close at hand, these are people who have chosen to commit sexual suicide (George Gilder's term). Why would they make this choice? Again and again I have found that these are typically people who are furious with their parents, typically their fathers, and this anger gradually percolates into every aspect of their lives. Have you ever met a homosexual who did not pride him or herself on being able to throw a first class snit? Nor have I.<br /><br />This anger typically extends to God, consciously or not, and results in a de facto break with Him and the charity (theological virtue) that would order their moral lives. Having broken with Love and continuing in anger, they come eventually to self-hatred, self-loathing and sexual suicide- or enormous temptations to sexual suicide.<br /><br />This is not a "cross" of any sort. It is either mortal sin or ongoing furious temptations to mortal sin. <br /><br />Framing it as Voris does only falls in with that self-dramatization to which homosexuals are very prone. Victim souls! There are many ways to eternal destruction, but surely it is of no help to think that one is a victim soul while on the way. <br /><br />Sure, there are chaste homosexuals, but they should not be encumbered with the illusion that the spiritual perils they face are graces of any sort.<br /><br />Voris means well, of course, but that is no substitute for being correct, especially when deal with matters affecting the eternal salvation of many persons. <br /><br />Who sent him?Lee Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16506547355314136320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-54312118715121888572010-10-18T10:51:05.273-05:002010-10-18T10:51:05.273-05:00When you last asked about Michael a month or so ag...When you last asked about Michael a month or so ago I expressed the opinion that he was hitting the nail on the head but that he came off as sounding a bit harsh, and may be a turn off for those sitting on the fence.<br /><br />I continue to listen to him and still think he is solidly orthodox. I was impressed by a recent piece he did on homosexuality- I thought it was very compassionate (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/u/15/K0sILSapUUc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/u/15/K0sILSapUUc)</a>.<br /><br />I am of the opinion that he should do more pieces like this. Not that he should stop the critisism where/when it is due, but on slow news days... throw in a compassion piece; he appears to be very good at them also. I do not think it lessens his effectiveness, and may help to quiet his critics.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15972957342753225546noreply@blogger.com