tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post3399730230230259017..comments2023-12-14T21:13:46.857-06:00Comments on Tom Roeser's Blog: Personal Asides: Adeline Geo-Karis Apology to M. Stanton Evans for
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Legacy. .Jake Parrillohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11195261008177966339noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-26941457011153910542008-02-21T01:25:08.000-06:002008-02-21T01:25:08.000-06:00And that is why you are so upset that legions are ...And that is why you are so upset that legions are not lining up behind you and Roeser's attitudes towards Adeline J. Geo-Karis.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-52157867178366275112008-02-20T13:32:11.000-06:002008-02-20T13:32:11.000-06:00There is none so blind as one who will not see. I ...There is none so blind as one who will not see. I doubt that you have persuaded anyone to change their opinions as to the reputation and standing of another faceless and completely interchangeable politician.<br><br>History will be the ultimate judge. Somehow, I do not see Geo Karis replacing Lincoln on license plates any time soon. If the residents of Zion want to name a park bench or a recycling center after her that is their business. Outside of her district, nobody paid that much attention.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-82031282394581960992008-02-20T08:44:05.000-06:002008-02-20T08:44:05.000-06:00have a stubborn way of destroying most arguments, ...have a stubborn way of destroying most arguments, don't they?Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-66535410750273048092008-02-20T07:37:42.000-06:002008-02-20T07:37:42.000-06:00I am not interested in continuing this. The subjec...I am not interested in continuing this. The subject is boring.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-28203282383396138172008-02-20T07:28:46.000-06:002008-02-20T07:28:46.000-06:00. . . but during her last campaign for office i.... . . but during her last campaign for office in 2006 we identified 1,600 pieces of legislation that she either sponsored or co-sponsored.<br><br>Now go to the Illinois Legislature website and do your homework and report back with your thoughts as to which legislation was "important" and which was not. And no one ever accused her of anything unethical in her 35 years in Springfield, so your comments about "padding" are disgraceful on their face.<br><br>Most legislators are happy to guide through 3-4 bills a year. Nuff said.<br><br>Now go do your homework and learn something. Then report back.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-88623733847822299642008-02-20T02:44:38.000-06:002008-02-20T02:44:38.000-06:00No disrespect intended, but I cannot think of any ...No disrespect intended, but I cannot think of any significant legislation that your friend sponsored that produced any long term benefits for the People of the State of Illinois. I am not referring to the passage of bills that took care of local concerns or padded the accounts of her friends.<br>Thompson may have time on his hands to attend many more funerals since he was stripped of his post as head partner at Winston & Strawn after wasting millions of dollars trying to keep his pal Gorgeous George from going to prison. Jimbo's street credibility took another hit when he testified that he neglected to read reports that would have indicated that Conrad Black's wrecking crew was looting the Sun-Times. Do you really want to suggest that Adeline and Jim were birds of a feather? She was a typical politician, no more, no less.<br><br>The moderates that you praise so highly succeeded in running the Illinois Republican Party into oblivion.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-8379003383674260162008-02-20T01:45:49.000-06:002008-02-20T01:45:49.000-06:00I'm glad you read the book. I've not rene...I'm glad you read the book. I've not renewed my National Review. I don't think I've changed. It looks like Joe's real sin was discovering communists in the media and fellow travelers as well.Leon Dixonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-47457039464415248752008-02-19T16:57:05.000-06:002008-02-19T16:57:05.000-06:00Clearly you are now repeating yourself. You have ...Clearly you are now repeating yourself. You have serious issues with Republican moderates who have been extremely successful, which runs counter to your inane beliefs that moderates are evil personified. Yes, Geo-Karis and Thompson were good friends. Thompson attended her funeral.<br><br>Thompson has class. You and Roeser do not. This has nothing to do with Thompson. This thread is about the reprehensible comments about Adeline Geo-Karis uttered by Roesner and the likes of yourself.<br><br>Rest easy tonight and sleep well with your thoughts that over a span of nearly 50 years this gutsy lady fought the good fight and left your sputtering in anger because of her actions.<br><br>Feel better now? She would be proud to see you wound up so tightly over her actions.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-86535431939266630392008-02-19T12:55:35.000-06:002008-02-19T12:55:35.000-06:00Thanks for distorting my previous message and attr...Thanks for distorting my previous message and attributing numerous opinions to me that I did not express at any time.<br><br>Was Adeline Geo Karis doing good work when she was allied with Jim Thompson? Wasn't he one of the good old boys? Was Corrine Wood any more effective than Bob Kustra or any of the other nondescripts who have served as Lt. Governor?<br><br>Interestingly, you fail to name one of the old time sexists who blocked Geo Karis in Lake County.<br><br>There have been some talented GOP women elected to public office in Illinois, but I did not count your friend as one of the outstanding ones.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-66249192206638779702008-02-19T11:07:31.000-06:002008-02-19T11:07:31.000-06:00Dear Dan,You have completely convinced me that I w...Dear Dan,<br><br>You have completely convinced me that I was wrong and you and Roeser are right. Geo-Karis' impact on the Illinois Republican Party and Lake County GOP was just gosh darn awful, horrible and destructive during a span that neared a half a century. She was a complete and total failure and the voters who kept reelecting her should be herded into concentration camps and be heavily medicated until they too repent for their actions in voting for her.<br><br>All females in the GOP should be given their walking papers immediately so that the good ol' boys can return the party to success of yesteryear, since you seem to be having a hard time naming some positive role models amongst the fairest of us all. This includes all those GOP female judges and elected officials in Lake County. Toss them back into the kitchen barefoot for gosh sakes already!<br><br>I was heavily involved in the Corrine Wood 2002 primary campaign for Governor. Anyone who calls her a proxy for George Ryan in that race would believe the first two paragraphs above represent my true feelings!<br><br>I won't allow facts to get in the way of the prejudices of Roeser and yourself. You can continue deluding yourselves.<br><br>But the meanspiritedness in which both Roeser and yourself show speaks volumes.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-71189230823949972682008-02-19T10:27:10.000-06:002008-02-19T10:27:10.000-06:00Be serious, Louis. Adeline was never a movement co...Be serious, Louis. Adeline was never a movement conservative. Perhaps, the difficulty that you have is one of comprehension. To varying degrees, many of those commenting on the Roeser Blog favor conservative politics. Not surprisingly, Geo Karis does not rate highly here.<br><br>The mere fact that you cite Wood and Topinka as outstanding female leaders is positively risible. If Geo Karis helped promote candidates like this, there is no reason to applaud her.<br>I cannot address precinct level politics in Lake County, but Geo Karis was hardly a pioneer in the Republican Party. Ruth Hanna McCormick and Margaret Church predated her by fifty years. Wood had only served one term in the legislature before she was selected by Ryan for the position of Lieutenant Governor. Hardly enough time to have made an impact. While Kankakee George did ignore Wood for a time, she was his proxy in the 2002 primary. He used her to undermine the candidacy of the eventual nominee, Attorney General James Ryan of Du Page County. Ryan had the candor to confront Ryan and to announce that he was going to file against him in 2002.<br>Topinka (whose last name refers to a Bohemian appetizer of toasted garlic spread on bread) does not deserve to be celebrated at all. It would take an hour to list all of the complaints lodged against her by Republicans.<br><br>I am surprised that you did not include Bette Loren Maltese in your list of prominent Republican women.<br><br>We must agree to disagree.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-41597522395086732262008-02-19T09:11:25.000-06:002008-02-19T09:11:25.000-06:00To Dan Kelley,One of the reasons while the conserv...To Dan Kelley,<br><br>One of the reasons while the conservative movement has stumbled badly are due to stances taken by yourself and Roeser. Perhaps you should take a long hard look at Lake County politics to see Geo-Karis' legacy. And look at the state as well.<br><br>A few years back it would have been unthinkable for the GOP to slate a female for Governor. Or for Lt. Governor. And if you had your way, no females ever would have been good enough for those positions. And Lake County was all male until she came along.<br><br>By the way, Ryan shut out Wood and kept her out of his inner circle after his election. Too bad his taint hurt her. Try not to rewrite history.<br><br>And since you brought up geography in your first posting, the city of Zion has trended democrat since figures have been kept going back to WWII. But she ran as a Republican and helped others run and win as republicans in that area. So much for your original posting. If she lived in Calumet City, she would have won as a Republican.<br><br>Clearly you see all those successes as failures. Perhaps if you started studying why someone like her was so successful, the GOP would start winning some races again.<br><br>She "represented" her constituents. You and Roeser want to dictate your own personal philosophies upon them. You refuse to listen and prefer to lecture.<br><br>Now since we live in a so-called representative democracy, that one should be easy for you to comprehend.<br><br>And yes I was her friend. If one of your friends was as viciously attacked after death like Geo was by Roeser, I would assume that as a true friend you would speak out as well.<br><br>Or maybe you would not.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-19810585009910332012008-02-19T07:55:30.000-06:002008-02-19T07:55:30.000-06:00Personal feelings and friendship aside, how can yo...Personal feelings and friendship aside, how can you argue that Geo Karis was a plus for the Republicans in Illinois? Corrine Wood? Judy Baar Topinka? Trailblazers? Role Models? Wood served a single term in the General Assembly before being plucked from obscurity and named to the state ticket as the Lieutentant Governor by the corrupt Governor George H. Ryan. The Republicans promptly lost the seat in the General Assembly. In a truly shameful performance, when all of his corrupt misdeeds made a second term an impossibility, Ryan blamed his downfall on "the right wing" and openly encouraged Corrine Wood to challenge Attorney General James Ryan in the Republican Gubernatorial Primary. Wood failed to secure the nomination, but caused Jim Ryan to squander dollars that may have been used to better advantage against Rod Blagojevich in the fall. If Wood and Topinka are the legacy of Geo Karis, there is not much there to brag about.Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-17815541863778138432008-02-18T17:56:49.000-06:002008-02-18T17:56:49.000-06:00At her funeral, women repeatedly thanked her for b...At her funeral, women repeatedly thanked her for breaking that GOP glass ceiling that existed. For breaking those glass ceilings that held them back. They were in tears. No one accused her of being a "self-promoter" or "selfish." In fact, she blew off opportunities to make serious money and lived in a tiny old house in Zion with no garage. They called her a "servant leader" because she sacrificed herself for public service. She could have moved to a wealthier part of her district. She chose not to. Many of her neighbors on her block where she lived were black or minorities.<br><br>Because of her trail blazing activities, women like Corrine Wood and Judy Barr Topinka were able to elevate and surpass what Geo-Karis accomplished in terms of moving up the ranks of what was then an all male, white GOP party. A whole flock of GOP women holding office in Lake County is her legacy. She was basically the only attorney practicing law in Lake County for years.<br><br>When she wanted to run for office back in 1962, those good ol' white boys who ran the party laughed and told her to wait her turn. She took them on anyway and began winning elections, and eventually I watched those good ol' white boys begrudgingly answer to her, kiss her pinky ring, and begrudgingly begin supporting women to become elected officials and judges because she forced them to.<br><br>And when those good ol' boys decided she was too old, and told her not to run or they would destroy her and her reputation, she still fought back. When they made fun of her age and health and went negative on her, she got even. The grand plan of the good ol' boys lead to a Democrat replacing her. And rather than admit to their own stupidity, they stupidly blamed her for their own stupidity.<br><br>The rest who supported her cheered her on. And in the end, she endorsed the democrat. You weren't there to see how her own party "leadership" treated her at the end. I was. And I won't let anyone cheap shot her now that she is gone. That includes Roeser or anyone else.<br><br>Those good ol' boys now look down at the floor now when they see me, a "nobody" in the party, these days. They know that I know the whole story and was in the middle of it with her. That shame they still feel was well deserved.<br><br>Sorry, but when her mom and dad back in the WWII era insisted that good Greek girls stay home, get married and have babies, and did not go to college, or join the navy, she did it anyway. Several thousand of her contemporaries from that era were forced to become June Cleaver. She paid her own way and worked in a factory building speakers to pay her own tuition and lived in an apartment. No scholarships were available for women like her back then.<br><br>Roeser's ignorant comments about her today were idiotic and appalling and he demeaned himself and his own reputation with them. And if Geo were still with us, she would be in his face right now.<br><br>Now that she can no longer do that, Roeser's "bravely" attacks. Wow! I'm not impressed at all. I used to respect and admire him. After this stunt, never again.<br><br>I don't see any State Parks named after Roeser. Do you?Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-49188972384160014912008-02-18T13:01:26.000-06:002008-02-18T13:01:26.000-06:00Louis, you wrote:...she opened up the GOP good ol&...Louis, you wrote:<br><br>...she opened up the GOP good ol' boys club to a host of other who followed her into the club building,... Now the party has strong active women who are not doormats or mommies...<br><br>Louis, Geo, not unlike Judy Topinka you mentioned, was much more the self-promoter than a gender-promoter. Since Geo lived to such a great age, what is the evidence that she "opened up the club" and left the IL or the Lake GOP governed by a happy consortium of men and women? If the complaints remain (and they do) that it is still a "boy's club", it doesn't sound like she advanced that cause all that much.<br><br>And if opening up the GOP to women was a thing of such value to Geo, she certainly didn't do much at the end of her days when she selfishly clung to office and betrayed the Republican WOMAN who was nominated to succeed her by helping the Democrat get elected.John Currynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-12311931321675325442008-02-18T10:10:09.000-06:002008-02-18T10:10:09.000-06:00I don't have a thing in this blast, but:"...I don't have a thing in this blast, but:<br><br>"Geo was bullied"? By who?<br><br>"She scratched & clawed to go to college"? I applied as all do without that drama. When money ran out, I went to work until I got back on the train.<br><br>Are you certain this isn't written by Louise vs Louis?Frank Nofsingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-42130680206835224372008-02-18T09:51:00.000-06:002008-02-18T09:51:00.000-06:00Normally you write fairly intelligent pieces. You...Normally you write fairly intelligent pieces. Your piece on Adeline Jay Geo-Karis sounds like it was poorly written on the back of a cocktail napkin after a few too many liquid refreshments were downed.<br><br>Geo bullied her way into the all white good ol' boys club called the Illinois GOP and Lake County GOP and was a royal pain to you and your ilk for nearly half a century. And she scratched and clawed and fought all the way. By doing so she opened up the GOP good ol' boys club to a host of other who followed her into the club building, causing you agina and chagrin. Now the party has strong active women who are not doormats or mommies like in the Leave it to Beaver show!<br><br>Just like she scratched and clawed to go to college, enlist in the military, go to law school and then practice law when all three were male dominated bastions with little or no room for women.<br><br>I know you want to pull the party back to those glorious days of yesteryear when middle aged upper middle class white men ruled the GOP roost statewide and locally. But those days will never return.<br><br>Geo and the others you've hated, such as Judy Barr Topinka, Corrine Wood and many more clearly have made your life miserable. Good for them. That is quite an accomplishment.<br><br>So keep on reading those accolades that are still pouring in about the servant leader, the late Adeline Jay Geo-Karis. If they make you sick to your stomach, then Geo did well.Louis G. Atsavesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-28757331365079807592008-02-18T08:16:39.000-06:002008-02-18T08:16:39.000-06:00Geo-Karis was a classic example of species of poli...Geo-Karis was a classic example of species of politicians whose party identification is solely predicated upon geography. Not so sweet Adeline was a Republican principally because this is the label that sold in Zion and Northern Lake County. Had she lived in Calumet City, she would run as a Democrat. Sponsoring candidates of her ilk helped bring the State GOP to its current pitful state.<br><br>As tiresome as this pol proved to be, imagine the sickening obits bound to be issued when Judy Judy Judy smokes her cigarettes and herself into the great beyond!Dan Kelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-38506248728234354442008-02-18T07:07:15.000-06:002008-02-18T07:07:15.000-06:00I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one wi...I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one with this reaction to my former state senator.<br><br>I did not know her, but having seen her in action, I certainly did not like her, and I fail to understand the accolades from the the people who have been so effusive towards such an ardent pro-abort.Paul, Just This Guy, You Know?noreply@blogger.com