tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post2630905529079169991..comments2023-12-14T21:13:46.857-06:00Comments on Tom Roeser's Blog: CHURCH’S GREGORY DECLINED OFFER OF LEGAL HELP ON PEDOPHILIA.Jake Parrillohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11195261008177966339noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-44788421559462503832011-03-15T10:21:00.381-05:002011-03-15T10:21:00.381-05:00A lot of the distaste institutional churchmen of t...A lot of the distaste institutional churchmen of the old left had for JPII was based on their contempt for the papacy itself, an institution they felt mired in the contemptible Medieval and which they've spent their entire ecclesiastical carriers patiently undermining. It mattered little that JPII acquiesced to and covered for them when they went too far.Tancredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015531337154301560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-18757816081926797932011-03-15T09:49:39.972-05:002011-03-15T09:49:39.972-05:00@Jim Dorchak:
John Paul II was never a darling of...@Jim Dorchak:<br /><br />John Paul II was never a darling of the "liberal left," who are probably more appalled by the late Pope's canonization than even Mr. Roeser is. JPII's fans are mostly conservative Catholics of the <i>Wanderer</i> - <i>National Catholic Register</i> - EWTN school.<br /><br />JPII took the first steps toward liberating the Traditional Latin Mass in the early 1980s when he had the Congregation for Divine Worship survey the world's bishops about demand for the Old Mass's return. In spite of obstructionism by the CDW and the bishops, JPII issued an indult in 1984 allowing bishops to permit the Old Mass.<br /><br />When Abp. Lefebvre lapsed into schism in 1988, JPII authorized the founding of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter for those of Lefebvre's priests who wished to remain in full communion with the Church. When the Pope issued <i>Ecclesia Dei</i>, it gave a lot of those conservative Catholics "permission" to be traditionalists, and the Old Mass began to reappear regularly in places (like Cardinal Bernardin's Chicago), where it was feared it never would. <br /><br />[It was at this time that Cardinal Ratzinger celebrated the Traditional Mass, and told the world he had forgotten "how God-centered" the Old Mass was.<br /><br />By contrast, Rembert Weakland accused John Paul II of "derailing the liturgical reform"(sic) by allowing the Old Mass even under the restrictions of the 1984 Indult.]<br /><br />I submit, there would have been no <i>Summorum Pontificum</i> without the 1984 indult and JPII's encouragement in 1988.<br /><br />On the other hand, the liberal leftists found much to hate in JPII besides his acts in favor of the Old Mass. The accusations that the Pope was trying to "repeal Vatican II" were made early on, and for some of those folks, JPII's death couldn't have come soon enough. A read through back issues of liberal publications from the 1980s and 1990s should bear this out.Daniel Latinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00588124582769067675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-77303967706956703822011-03-15T09:23:01.682-05:002011-03-15T09:23:01.682-05:00@o:
Canonization is a declaration that a soul is ...@o:<br /><br />Canonization is a declaration that a soul is in Heaven, and that the Church recognizes the person canonized as being of "heroic" virtue, and worthy to be held up as an example to all the faithful.<br /><br />Because canonizations are public declarations <i>by the Church</i>, made after an established process, and because the person being canonized is being proposed <i>by the Church</i> as an heroic example, it behooves the Church to act carefully, if for no other reason, than to avoid giving scandal to those, not being privy to all the facts, would be troubled by such a declaration.<br /><br />In the case of a very popular Pope like John Paul II, the Church would be well served if the process were observed to the exactest detail, and that few, if any requirements waived, so that no one can claim the process was carried out carelessly or rashly.<br /><br />God can work around any obstacle, and he can draw good from evil, but humans in the Lord's service still must act prudently, and with a view to how their actions appear to the wider community.Daniel Latinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00588124582769067675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-90718466298131736392011-03-15T00:15:37.838-05:002011-03-15T00:15:37.838-05:00Is it the pope that makes a man saint, or the od ...Is it the pope that makes a man saint, or the od that gives the pope his two miracles required for the deed? God has spoken for JP2. God has said "NO" to your request for more time.<br /><br />Now for Mother Theresa, God's giving you more time. Remember - holiness makes a saint, not successfulness in their job. Yes, I paraphrase her. God wants us to pray more for her so His message through her about poverty will effect more.<br /><br />Seal of confession. If the bishop said "yes", the hunt would be on for the pervert. Once found, the bishop would be defrocked long before charges against the priest.<br /><br />So - bishops can be as sinful as the worst of our politicians and bloggers? What's the NEWs?ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617031696879424198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-75238360936087725642011-03-14T21:17:42.394-05:002011-03-14T21:17:42.394-05:00Cardinal Ratzinger blocked and shelved the truth a...Cardinal Ratzinger blocked and shelved the truth about many high churchman when he headed the CDF, but JPII was weak in lowering the boom on his friends.Al Henneberryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04698127277575927429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-27155192343046777382011-03-14T20:19:09.448-05:002011-03-14T20:19:09.448-05:00I think that the reason for the quick sainthood is...I think that the reason for the quick sainthood is to appease the liberal left with in the Church in return for the Traditional Mass (EF). <br /><br />I am so in agreement with you on this and other things, but at the same time it is so sad. What are we ignorant mutts supposed to do? <br /><br /><br />Jim Dorchak<br />http://qm2ss.blogspot.com/Jim Dorchakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14430848125368240962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-81331040700204342442011-03-14T13:00:21.871-05:002011-03-14T13:00:21.871-05:00Of course there’s corruption in an institution cre...Of course there’s corruption in an institution created and operated by man -- there always has been corruption, there always will be corruption. There is no god/s; no loving god/s, no hating god/s, no judging god/s; there’s just no god/s. You know it to be so, but are too entrenched in the ideology to admit it to be true. <br /><br />Go over to Japan and tell them about your omnipotent god, then tell them why the Earth vomited the ocean upon their lands, and shook their civilization into a living nightmare. <br /><br />Explain Jesus/Paul/Aquinas/Assisi/Augustine to the victims of child abuse. Explain why you knowing about child abuse for decades continued to participate, promote, and fund that institution. Of course you’re not responsible, only the men in the robes are to blame. Hahaha (excuse my laughter)<br /><br />The Earth is the Earth, Man is Man, and god is god; one has nothing to do with the other two, for one is non existent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3709087743016851805.post-487784918087589342011-03-14T11:23:55.593-05:002011-03-14T11:23:55.593-05:00While I agree that the rush to canonize the late P...While I agree that the rush to canonize the late Pontiff is more than a little unseemly, I tend to believe that the "santo subito" push really is coming from the popularity of John Paul II with a lot of ordinary Catholics.<br /><br />I fear somewhere down the road, the rush to canonize JPII will be used against the Church.<br /><br />I tend to believe that JPII's missteps were mostly the result of the limitations of human nature, incomplete and unreliable knowledge of particular situations, being too nice for his own good, and in the later years of his pontificate, ill health.<br /><br />OTOH, remembering the 1970s, and who else was considered papabile in 1978, John Paul II really was probably the best man available for the job. Most of the others would probably not have been able to put the breaks on the downward spiral the Church was in back then, let alone reverse it. And JPII put a number of things, and people, in place which will make future reform possible.Daniel Latinushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00588124582769067675noreply@blogger.com